Nodeka discussion

[Odinn]

Fenrir asked that we post about what we would like to see added to nodeka or changed.

Here is Feline's idea from another post:

"Could we have group citadels where we fight waves of harder mobs with better rewards for more rounds cleared?"

[Odinn]

I think Nodeka needs low level quests for the mortals that give them rewards which will truely aid them. Much like remortal gear, except for mortals achieved via questing.

Id also like to see the Remortal gear increased in power and rewarded via questing as well.

[ryl]

The remortal gear does need alot of work.

I think you should be rewarded extra gold or experience for completing more than one trial in one trial period. It may make people more likely to stop running and complete trials when they can. Also scavenger gnomes in chall ftw

[Cayce]

Originally Posted by ryl

The remortal gear does need alot of work.

I think you should be rewarded extra gold or experience for completing more than one trial in one trial period. It may make people more likely to stop running and complete trials when they can. Also scavenger gnomes in chall ftw

Renown is a big boost. An extra reward would be a bit too much, imo.

As for the remortal gear, it could benefit from the same kind of MAXIMUM attributes.
So once you are done leveling you can't wear it.

But yeah Ryl has a point. Even SU remortal gear (common during SU weeks) is lame.

[Cayce]

Temporary quest gear for minor remorts or non remorts (that's not usable by pets) would be a big boost for new players.

Example:

A very good weapon that check for MAXIMUM requirements, not minimum.

So you need 100 or less on all stats and 5K or less on all pools (to avoid people exploiting this to make huge non-remort chars) It would also avoid people from using it on pets.

Items should be only 3-6 hrs. So they need to keep doing the quest to get the good pieces.

Just a wild idea

[Sasuke]

Renown was definately a step in the right direction. And I am sure a lot of the new players will benefit from it. Would it be to much to give all new players full boat of renown? or 2x the renown to mortals? This may promote more pk among them. Or trials could expand in the types of quests required, like pk quests as somone suggested or "group quests".

I would like to see more benefits from group running. More interaction between people. Curved exp/gold for each additional member or something.

Sigil cits are great! You can hide behind a big tank and still feel like you contributed or steal the enemy sigil, or contribute indirectly. (healing, northwind, fade, etc). This promotes mixing newcommers with veterans.

Mabey some quests that require newplayers and majors to coroborate, would give everyone something to do and help out.

The misty tower has a quest were you gather 3 pages and get + 30 to any stat (use to be + 50). That kind of quests will also help newbies.


The crafting system as is, is awesome, and it definately takes a long time to gather scraps/components. I would love to see random salvage in Every area with more combinations. If you were botting you would simply loose it ! Also the 18 hour wait is a killer. Even if they crafted gear wasn't that great it could be sold/traded to mortals. This would create a 'second economy' that everyone could participate in. If salvage accessable to only mortals (mortal only areas) was needed to make a really buff major weapon and vice versa this would further promote interaction between newbies and veterans.


I personally believe that augmenting ruined any chance of 'catching up'. The big get bigger.. and bigger. and This took a toll on pk. (it takes forever to fight someone now) You hardly see it now days and nodeka use to be a pk mud. (This is the reason I was attracted to it, else I would be playing nwn2 or some other mmo). Many clan members hold grudges for killing their cronies. and everyone bots all day. Someone said that nodeka has become something you just let run in the background... So true.

I dunno what can be done about it. And that is why we are brain storming!


Sasuke


p.s. I like the idea of everyone grouping up against endless waves of monsters

oh and someclasses need revamping
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[Sasuke]

more mid sized (like Fens) Salvage Areas!

Feline said sometin about haveing increased % for abilities on equipment and i thinks thats awesome! mabey decreased % also..
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[Cayce]

Originally Posted by Sasuke

more mid sized (like Fens) Salvage Areas!

Feline said sometin about haveing increased % for abilities on equipment and i thinks thats awesome! mabey decreased % also..

More midsize salvage areas would increase the unbalance. As there's players that can actually make a good ppm and still be botting the materials.

More challenging, hard to bot areas would benefit the mud more.

[Iron]

Originally Posted by Cayce

More midsize salvage areas would increase the unbalance. As there's players that can actually make a good ppm and still be botting the materials.

More challenging, hard to bot areas would benefit the mud more.

What about an area that has a large number of rooms with a small mob density (1 mob to 10 rooms) and high rate of mob movement?

If each mob had a large number of hps, say 200k+ (but not obscene like 1mil), fighting each one would take a minute or 2 to actually kill. Give them a high hit roll but low damage roll. That way they can hit and do damage, but not overly threatening, like avg 200/round. Would be challenging for someone with 10k hps, but not impossible, for someone with 50k ehh it might bang up their pets a little.

Give the mobs a high % chance (20-30) of loading salvage of any type (including a higher chance for the rarer scraps). Give the salvage fast decay rate (~10 minutes) so that you cannot sit around farming a bunch of salvage before turning it in. Maybe even (if possible), have an even higher salvage drop rate, but also have a high failure rate on turning it in such that you get more gold to offset the low ppm. Or have a type of salvage that is 100% failure on turn in. Sure you know that all you get for it is gold, but its a lot of gold at least.

Just have a fast repop rate (~15 minutes) on the zone so that it doesn't get emptied constantly.

Essentially you would trade off gold/exp for salvage (with possible offsets on the gold), while also making it very unrewarding to try to bot due to the low gpm and low/fast moving population density. It would reward those willing to put up with the headache of tracking down mobs, sitting through long ass fights, and running back and forth to town with higher than normal salvage.

I think if it could all be done, it could be fairly exciting just because you feel like you are getting rewarded often, even if the salvage turn in fails.

That to me is one of the things that is lacking at the higher end of the game. There is no sense of reward for 99.9% of the things that you do. Add 10 hps to 30k, yay. Spend an hour or 2 to get 1 extra point practiced in a skill, you don't notice any change. Give me the chance with every kill that I might get a "ooooohhh shiny", even if the fights are annoyingly long. Beats the kill 400 things, convert exp/gold, repeat any day, even if it is mostly illusion.

[Cayce]

Originally Posted by Iron

What about an area that has a large number of rooms with a small mob density (1 mob to 10 rooms) and high rate of mob movement?

If each mob had a large number of hps, say 200k+ (but not obscene like 1mil), fighting each one would take a minute or 2 to actually kill. Give them a high hit roll but low damage roll. That way they can hit and do damage, but not overly threatening, like avg 200/round. Would be challenging for someone with 10k hps, but not impossible, for someone with 50k ehh it might bang up their pets a little.

Give the mobs a high % chance (20-30) of loading salvage of any type (including a higher chance for the rarer scraps). Give the salvage fast decay rate (~10 minutes) so that you cannot sit around farming a bunch of salvage before turning it in. Maybe even (if possible), have an even higher salvage drop rate, but also have a high failure rate on turning it in such that you get more gold to offset the low ppm. Or have a type of salvage that is 100% failure on turn in. Sure you know that all you get for it is gold, but its a lot of gold at least.

Just have a fast repop rate (~15 minutes) on the zone so that it doesn't get emptied constantly.

Essentially you would trade off gold/exp for salvage (with possible offsets on the gold), while also making it very unrewarding to try to bot due to the low gpm and low/fast moving population density. It would reward those willing to put up with the headache of tracking down mobs, sitting through long ass fights, and running back and forth to town with higher than normal salvage.

I think if it could all be done, it could be fairly exciting just because you feel like you are getting rewarded often, even if the salvage turn in fails.

That to me is one of the things that is lacking at the higher end of the game. There is no sense of reward for 99.9% of the things that you do. Add 10 hps to 30k, yay. Spend an hour or 2 to get 1 extra point practiced in a skill, you don't notice any change. Give me the chance with every kill that I might get a "ooooohhh shiny", even if the fights are annoyingly long. Beats the kill 400 things, convert exp/gold, repeat any day, even if it is mostly illusion.

If there's Curator like mobs that jump you if you are grouped up, it could work. Otherwise an area with high % yield of salvage would just be group run.

And mobs should be able to kill you if you go AFK. Simple as that.

Pain's was a good move on the right direction. Mobs throwing all their stuff at you makes the area harder to bot.
Perhaps footpads there need crit wound? ^_^