nods@serenity...yes i understand that it's not easy to get it up there but the potential of it is there...for example...if any other class had spent the same amount of plat, it still wouldn't get to the level of warlocks...they are very reliant on practices but with the practices, they would beat everybody...it will be somewhere that no other classes can ever reach no matter what...you'll have to admit that you'll beat just about everyone around the same rank as you if you went full willpower/hps eq...